Episode 11: What is being taught to our children? Part Two

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The Part II in series of the interview with Tom and Debbie on the influence of Marxism into education system for children. In this episode, Tom details the origins of this thought and reasons behind indoctrination.

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MizzyM: 0:24

Welcome to a new episode. In 2023, the first one this year of podcast from the Edge talking common sense. I hope you've had a lovely holiday with your family and friends. So today we're gonna be interviewing once again, Tom and Debbie, who will be discussing a very popular episode. I must add about the influence of Marxism in our educat. So thank you very much for tuning in and let's start the show. Okay, so we're back with Tom and Debbie. How are you both doing?

Tom: 1:11

Good, thank you. Very welcome. Thank you so much for having us, Manju. We appreciate being here. Well,

MizzyM: 1:16

Happy New Year to you guys, Okay, so let's start where we kind of got off last time. Um, we were talking about how Marxism got into the education system, uh, you know, in our schools, um, basically really by one political party. So, um, given that your background is in history, Tom, why don't you give a quick review of the two major parties and their.

Tom: 1:48

Okay. Um, alright. Uh, as we told your audience last time, uh, our study of history is grounded on our belief in God and we see history as the Judeo-Christian scriptures define it. And that's, um, the story of mankind is a colossal battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil between the kingdom of God and his dear son Jesus. and the Kingdom of Satan, a fallen angel's son. And, um, in the scriptures, there's a discourse that Jesus gave that completely shocked his audience. He told them that he was the bread of life and except they ate that bread, they would die in their sins. And he ended up by saying this, he said The Holy Spirit is the one who gives life. That which is of the natural realm is of no. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life. So we can see there's two parts to what To Jesus' expression. The first is the words that we can hear with our ears, we can perceive with our intellect, we can grapple with with our natural minds. And there's another part that is supernatural, that gives life that can only be perceived by faith. So his life is like a door into the supernatural. And through Jesus's life, the scriptures open up and we can see we're not dealing with flesh and blood, but with supernatural angelic forces. That are both good and evil, and they are very powerful and far more intelligent than we are. That's why people get caught up in conspiracy theories because they think that human beings are doing this, but it's actually spiritual intelligent beings, and this is the conflict of the ages, and it's being played out in the spiritual realm with tremendous ramifications in our natural world, and its empires and its nations. And its states and, and its governments and communities. And so what role do human beings play in history? A very essential role because it's our thoughts and our feelings that, um, that trigger these powers that, um, that bring them into, into the battle. So, um, when we talk about, uh, history of political parties, we're talking about good and evil, you know, and, um, you know, is one party intrinsically evil and one party intrinsically good? Well, um, the scriptures teach us that there's none good, that only God is good. So it follows that As much as we are implementing God's purposes, expressing God's truth. Moving in the direction of the love that produces value, purpose, and meaning, then we're good and the same, true is true of political organizations. And the neat thing about that is we can recognize that evil spiritual forces are moving people and they're adversarial, adversarial to our purposes. And we can still love them because we recognize it's not them. It's the evil behind them that is moving them, uh, to do. to do what they do or to think what they think and believe what they believe. So it comes back to the idea that we aren't wrestling with flesh and blood, but with spiritual powers and Jesus mandate to love our enemies and to bless those that curse us and to pray for those that curse goes that can only be fulfilled if we recognize we're we're dealing with a spiritual realm. So we have two parties in America. Are either of them. well, are either of them promoting God's principles, promoting and protecting, um, uh, marriage love families, the innocence of children and, and certainly within the Republican party there are coalitions of people that, um, uh, people of faith that are purporting to do that. And some of them actually are. But if you look at the platform, and the policies of the Democratic Party. There's ab absolutely nothing protecting marriage or innocence or, um, Or the development of innocence in children. In fact, uh, there are very serious efforts to destroy traditional marriage and destroy innocence in the policies and platforms of the Democratic Party. So it is especially obvious in their religious fervor to support and promote abortion. It is also very obvious in their support of transgender move. and they're, and they're very serious support of early sexualization of children, including the promotion of something so bizarre as drag queen story hours. And that can only be, you know, for children, for innocence that can only be called evil and, uh, pure evil. So, um, the Democratic Party was formed back. uh, 1820s, uh, by Martin Van Buren of New York. And

MizzyM: 7:08

wait, I, so Tom, can I just interrupt you for just a moment? Okay. So when we talk about the two parties and about good and evil and all that, um, I may tend to disagree with you a little bit over there because you know, in the sense the true republicanism, Uhhuh, I think stands by those conservative principles. In fact, they were founded on conservative principles. Right, right. But, but the, however, yeah. Not all Republicans feel, um, that way. They are, you know, for choice or they may be, um, a little bit more moderate in their views. Just like in the Democratic party, there are a lot of conservative Democrats or moderate Democrats that probably do agree a lot with Republican conservatives. Right, right.

Tom: 8:00

In terms of free, we're not talking about like individuals we're talking. Political party themselves and the history.

MizzyM: 8:08

Right. I just think it's the for there are certain forces that, um, kind of try to shape the, both the parties. Um, you know, it could be the World Economic Forum, let's say, or China's c c p party because they have some kind of vested self-interest in it. Right. So they pull these two parties. Do you, do you know what I mean? So, right. I can. I don't think it would be fair to put a blanket statement saying that, no, I'm all Democrats are evil or all

Tom: 8:39

Oh, no, no, no, no Republicans. No, I that I was gonna end with that idea that, okay, it's, it's, there's a political influence. But let me just give a quick thumbnail history of the Democrat and the Republican Party. Right. Okay. But so, okay, so the Democratic party was formed by, uh, Martin Van Buren and some other politicians in New York in the 1820s. The Democratic Party developed its political muscle by its pro-slavery stance throughout the entire Antebellum period, right? Both in the north and in the south. The Democratic caucus in Congress during the 1840s and fifties became known as the Slaveocracy. They violated the Constitution by instituting the gag rule. During this period, it was forbidden to bring up in Congress any bill or argument that called for limiting or abolishing slavery. In the 1850s, the Republican Party was formed after the Fugitive Slave, uh, law was passed and the. Nebraska Act was passed that allowing slavery to be introduced to the, uh, in, into the Western American territories, the Republican party was formed to oppose the extension of slavery into the West in the 1850s. In the 1860, the Republican platform repeated its anti-slavery positions, nominating Abraham Lincoln, while the Democratic platform declared support for the Supreme Court's infamous dread Scott decision, which allowed slave owners to bring their slaves into free states. So there's not one Republican in the historical record that ever owned a slave. Now the Republican administration under Lincoln prosecuted the war against slavery at the cost of over one half million Union soldiers. Slavery was abolished after the Civil War. It was the Republican Congress that instituted reconstruction in the South. The reconstruction program gave the southern blacks the right to vote and to run for office, which they did success. The Reconstruction program founded and instituted by the Republicans allowed black communities to form around their churches and for black education to take root. The civil rights movement of the 20th century came from these two institutions, the Black church, the Black Education System. When reconstruction ended, the Democratic Party became the party of the Black codes, which impoverished the blacks and abolished all their civil right. The Democratic Party was the party of Jim Crow. The Ku Klux Klan was the militant arm of the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party was the party of segregation. Well into the 20th century, 75% of the no votes to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were Democrats. And today in. The most impoverished crime infested drug-infested cities and districts are controlled and run by the Democratic party. So we have a, you know, a historical view of the two parties from from, from those historical par. Does this mean that everyone who is a Democrat or who votes Democrat is evil? Absolutely not. What it does mean they are veiled to the forces that have been moving that. right from the, from the GetGo, you know, in the early 19th century. And they're moving our nation. That party is moving our nation into, uh, a destruction of marriage love, and of innocence. And so do, do we, we, do we hate them or No? We, we, we loved our it, you know, we have a mandate to love our neighbors as ourselves. They don't see what is controlling them or what they're voting for. They just don't. But are we gonna by, uh, politically hating them, um, you know, change them? No, we're not. But through love and prayer and understanding and, uh, saying the right thing at the right time, it's changed. We're not, we're not calling all Democrats evil, and we're definitely not calling all Republicans good because America is in a very desperate situation where we're, we're losing this culture war. Because enough good men, or in quotes, Republicans have have done nothing, you know? Um, so we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that a little bit more, but that's a thumbnail sketch of, of the history of both parties and what it's come to today. The de Democratic party is open, wide, open to the evil influences of the, of the, um, Communist China, Chinese party. You know, we, we saw that. We see that continually, you know, um, you know, and they're wide open to the great reset. They, they're, they're, um, you know, um, helping to create that in America. They're helping to destroy our economy so that that great reset can actually happen. So, um, that's right. So, you know, That's basically Yeah. Yeah. Our, our view of it.

Debbie: 14:02

Yeah. We, we, we, we don't like, we have friends that are Democrats and who, you know, we can't talk politics with them at all, but the whole thing is, but we love them, but we love them. They're good people. But, but see what, what, what we're seeing and, and not that the Republicans are good cuz I, I get frustrated with Republicans because, They don't do something, you know what I mean? And, and they don't stand for integrity and, and they're doing stuff that isn't right either. But the deal is, it comes down to see we were created by God and whether anybody believes it or not, you know, like. You either have to be good or you have to be evil. And it's evil to kill children. It's evil to, to transform children from a boy to a girl. It's evil, to, you know, do abortion. You know, there's, there's many evil things and whatever person embraces that. or a par. If a party embraces that, then those people have to really look at themselves. Do I really wanna vote for aborting babies up until when they're born? Mm-hmm. do I wanna, you know, really vote for people changing a girl to a boy or a boy to a girl when they're only, you know, 12 years old when they don't know what they're doing. Right. You know? Or promoting us,

Tom: 15:18

you know? Yeah. What really makes it evident? The last election really showed. That their spiritual forces at work here are economies sliding down towards a recession, you know? And, um, you know, the, the price of gas is really high and our borders are wide open and, you know, everything is falling apart in our foreign policy, and yet in the midterm, the Republicans only won by a slim margin. So people voted against their own self-interest against their, you know, their own livelihoods. So how does that happen?

MizzyM: 15:59

Okay. So do you think it's because, they were not voting. You said that they were voting in, not in their self-interest or something, right, but my contention is maybe they weren't voting. Maybe they were not voting at all because they've given up on these political parties and you know, my thing is there are a lot of Republicans that pretend to be conservatives to get a vote. Definitely. And yet join along with certain Democrats. Like my, my curiosity with all this was, you know, the Democrats used to be very family oriented. They were for pro-life, they were um, they had some politicians that were, you know, wonderful character, like, you know, they had that moral grounding and um, just like Republicans did. But there was a juncture, I think, um, where the Democratic Party kind of broke off into this progressive wing that kind of took over. Yes, true. That moderate wing. True. And they didn't want, they wanted to shut down. Right, right. All democratic moderates and conservatives that were for pro-life. Right. And I think the big factor in all this is the donors who is funding the parties. Very true. That's correct. You know, and, and through the. You know, because if you look at, let's say someone like Senator Mitch McConnell, you know, um, I'm sure he claims to be a conservative, but we all know from the way he votes and the way he chooses, who he aligns with, it's not conservative whatsoever. And if you look at any of our top leaders in the Republican party that's in Congress right now, they're not. um, very conservative, um, so I think it's because it's that allure of money. Now who is giving that money? It's these big donors, foreign nations, right? Wall Street right? Do you know what I mean? So I think that is where the focus should be to kind of focus on those things because they're the ones really, um, tearing our country.

Debbie: 18:19

Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. We, we totally agree with that. Like, I would like to see term limits, you know, but see, it's almost like, which is a terrible thing to say, it's almost gone too far because it's like, you know, the, their progressive party has really taken over America, you know, they wanna, you know, cut out so many things, and they've taken over the education system, which you talked about before. And so it's really, really hard to go back. And, and backwards may not be the place to go anyways, is to go forward more. But to go forward, there's gonna have to be a lot of turmoil before you get out of, and people have to wanna be good and, and, and good in some people's eyes is getting drunk or, uh, doing drugs or, you know, have an abortion you know? Yeah. Or, or, you know, not bringing up their children that's good in their eyes for whatever reason, but it's not good. And so if people are thinking in their own self, um, pleasure, rather than what's really integrity, what's really good, goodness and truth, then America's gonna fail. And, and I think America is gonna fall apart, tell you the truth. It's gonna, it's gonna be. There's gonna be a small group of people trying to be good, but it's gonna be the, the evil is gonna be attacking them. And you gotta be good because you know what? This life isn't the end. And you know as much as you know, I know we're seem really preachy at some points, but the whole thing is it's reality. When you die, you either go to heaven or hell, and if you choose. you know, that's your choice. That's the whole thing. People do not know what choices they're making and, and that's what we're trying to really bring across. There is a God and there is a devil and you can serve either one. Right?

MizzyM: 20:14

Right. But you know, when you have, for example, like why, you know, people wanna know why did Trump win? And I think, you know, president Trump, from my point of view, he really won. the trust of these blue collar workers. Definitely, you know, who felt totally betrayed by both political parties. and um, they saw their jobs being taken away. And these are really hardworking Americans. They come home from a hard day's work, you know, they may not have much money, but like you said, they probably have very good value system that they would like for their children to do better than they are, you know? And here they are paying taxes. But yet time and time again, they've been seeing people that come into the country. Not through a legal means, and they're the ones that are re really getting the help, um, from the government, you know, and so they get frustrated and angry and they just kind of give up and they don't wanna vote. And so they'll vote for someone like Donald Trump who comes along and they feel like, yeah, this guy is gonna fight for me. He's gonna finally be my voice. And he did. You know, he did. But what happens to him, he gets totally betrayed by his own party Right. You know?

Tom: 21:43

Right. And, uh, yeah. So that's, that's why the only way we can explain what's happening, you know, and from our view and from looking at history is. you know, that there, there are spiritual forces and they, they, um, you know, and, and the, so in order to turn this around, there has to be a compliance with a, with a moral code that puts us into, um, a projectory of good, into a projectory of good and, and opens. um, you know, the, the forces of good within us and with, you know, and within the country and, but people are calling what's evil good. And what's good evil. So that's very hard to do, you know, so we can get down into like, um, the minutiae of it, but it really comes down to, um, you know, the, the type of life that we're living. You know, either it's very.

MizzyM: 22:46

Yeah, go ahead, Tom. Finish your thought

Tom: 22:48

then, either according to, to God's commandments or Breaking God's commandments. Yeah.

Debbie: 22:53

There's a power or there's a power there. And, and the whole thing is if, if you, you know, and like you said with the Republicans, like to me, Donald Trump, he, he w was meant to get, uh, elected because he could fight. Those forces. You know, he was not, you know, he's not super religious, but he believes in God, he believed in America. He believed in America's ideals, which is very, very important cuz those ideals are, are true and good. And, and that's where it's been lost a lot of times. But he believed in the ideals and he, he called the, the Republican party to, to, to, uh, you know, like say you, you're doing all wrong. And he was really trying to uncover what was in the swamp with both parties and they didn't like it. But see, that's right. Both parties are still in, in, in power though. You know, they got him out and they're never letting him back in. And, and, and even now, so many people have changed their minds about Trump because he always rough talk and whatever. But you know what, that evil needs to be rough talk. that evil needs to be put down by somebody who's, uh, you know, aggressive. Aggressive and talk harder. You know, that's what happened. The Republican party so many times, oh, let's be nice. We'll, we'll compromise, you know? No, no compromise the ideals of America and that's what it is. And you know, if you're been in two terms, get. you know, and, and let some's right else come in, you know, things like that. But they're not gonna change that. You, they, they're talking about it in Congress now, that that was one of the things that Republican Congress is gonna do. But who's gonna really vote for it? No, I like this cushy job. I like this job. I'm getting rich in this job. You know what I mean? So they're not gonna vote. Right.

MizzyM: 24:38

Exactly. I mean, if you look at, for example, the former house speaker Nancy Pelosi, how did she get to be worth 600 million or so?, I mean, but it, it's the power of these lobbyists and donors, but, but

Tom: 24:53

that are behind lobbyists. Yeah, go ahead.

MizzyM: 24:55

They have no, um, I think that, they have no political ideology whatsoever. You know, the money that's behind these politicians, so they're the ones really running the show, right? Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. You know, unless America, that's that evil, quote unquote evil part, you know?

Debbie: 25:16

Yep. Yeah, yeah. Unless America's re America is ready, really stand up. But see, what has happened is there's evil in every family, You know what I mean? Right. And, and there's, it's, there's so many divides and so people. Are quiet and they don't say anything and they're so busy trying to make a living, and it's just, unless we want a civil war, you know, I don't see it. I think, I think, and we're not advocating that. Yeah, we're not advocating it at all, but, but the deal is, you know, it's like I don't see a real big solution, let's put it that way.

MizzyM: 25:51

You know, the only way is for people to just keep voting and to vote. you know, watch how your politician, your representative votes mm-hmm. In every single piece of legislation. Right. That's true. True. You know, if they true, if they, if they vote in a certain kind of way and they just follow whatever their leader says, and then they come back to you and they say, well, you know, let's not talk about that. Uh, I had to do it that way, and whatever excuse they got. You gotta just say, you know, you're outta here. That's it. We like you as a person.

Tom: 26:28

We, we end up, yeah. We end up with the government we have the, the politics is downstream from the culture, and the culture is downstream from what goes on in the human heart, you know, so, right. It all comes back to people making choices internally. For good. Yeah, for good. Because an evil culture will not elect or have a good government. It never works that way. Only a virtuous population can, can have a virtuous government, you know? So it, it, it's, it's so internal. We're, we're talking about what's happening externally when we talk about politics, but that's only the surface of what's going on internally. You know, so that's, that's how we see it.

MizzyM: 27:22

Well, what about the argument that Yes, when you say people need to be good and keep being good, which is fine, everyone strives for that as the individual. But you know, when you talk about the bigger realm of ideas near, let's say for example, corporations, okay, they hire employees. And let's say they decide, okay, you know what, uh, Texas or these deep red Republican states, now they're gonna go with what the Supreme Court said about Roe versus Wade. And as a corporation, we will pay for any female employee to have an abortion. right. Um, so you know, the idea is you can have a person individually try to strive to be as good as they can in their life, but then you've got bigger, more powerful corporations that are funding money into politicians, into the media, which is also part of defining what our culture is. And from there, You know, it's very difficult then to be able to hold people accountable as a group, you know? and that's, that's where I see there's a huge problem. And where, where we all hit that brick wall.

Debbie: 28:49

Yeah. And, and it is a brick wall.

Tom: 28:51

Well, it, it is, but you know, the walls of Jericho came down when, when Israel obeyed God. You know what I mean? So I, if. You know, prayer is a very powerful thing and Right, right. You know, and, and things change. Like, like what DeSantis is doing in Florida, it, it changed the CEO of, of, uh, by, by a series of circumstances of Disney. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, but it, it comes from a heart prayer. Like somebody down there is praying, you know, somebody down there is calling out to God and things are changing. You know, but it, it comes down to an individual and, and, but the, the, the forces of evil are working against every individual, you know, and it, and it's only evil, can only take root in a culture that is choosing evil. Choosing evil. You know, you turn on the TV and, and you go through the ads, you know it, it's. It's like, hell, hell and more hell, you, you know what I mean? like, so it's like, so what those advertisers know, you know, what, what appeals to people, you know? And so, right. You know, it, it, it takes, you know, a changed life to, to change the culture, to change the politic. It goes in that order no matter what it looks like, apparently to our natural mind. That's the way it's happening spiritually.

Debbie: 30:26

Yeah, and, and you're right, we can change, you know, make sure we vote and stuff like that. Make sure we vote on the, on our, you know. our city level type of thing, because the city level, you know, is the start of who do you want in there, you know what I mean? Like, we found that out. We found there was some good people that got elected and we found that there was some people that we voted for that we wish they had done better, let's put it that way. Right. You know, and, and the whole thing is, is like not everybody think it's not Republican Party is not a Christian party. You know what I mean? There's Christians in it because the, the principles, there are no abortion. you know, no sexualization of children, you know, things like that, which are, you know, yeah. What they believed. But the deal is, is you know, you can vote kind of, and then there's not good people going into politics. They're saying, no, I'm just gonna concentrate my family. I'm gonna do what I wanna do. I'm gonna mind my own business. And whatever they do, they. You know, it's, it, there's a lot of people like that too, like you were saying that don't even vote, you know, but it's gonna come down to push to, to shove and people gotta make, make decisions. You know? I, I, I don't know, we don't really know of like a big solution, but, but, you know, except, except turning to God. Right?

Tom: 31:47

Right. But you know, like, um, seven, there was a, a recent Gallup poll that pulled conservative. and, and 77% of them said that they were afraid to speak out because, um, they, they were afraid to share their political beliefs publicly because they were worried about getting mobbed on social media fired from their jobs or worse. So they remain quiet, largely seating the public debate to those, pushing these anti-American ideologies. Consequently, institutions including business, including the education system, have become monocultures. Um, they're dogmatic and hostile to a diversity op opinion, and they have these equity and inclusion departments that serve as political offices searching for and stamping out any dissent from official orthodoxy that, that sounds like 1984 it sounds like. you know, Orwell, it sounds like Aldi Huxley Brave New World. You know, where where it's group think, group speak and, and the, you know, so that's, you know, that has to be resisted. You know, we have to overcome our cowardice, you know, like, um, You know, how did

MizzyM: 33:04

No, I, I agree though, to, it's like, uh, it's the minority voices that have the majority power. Right, right, right. You know, because if you think about it, these are minority voices. They're small in number. Yeah. Right. I mean, how many, you know, Kids are out there, um, not knowing what their gender is or you know, it's, it's such a small minority, but it, it's, right. They have a platform because they're being funded by big groups,

Tom: 33:33

you know, but have that, but it's changing the way people think about sex. You know, it, it, it, these kids, it, it, there's only, uh, there, there's probably, um, you know, hundreds of thousands of kids that are transing lately. And, and we'll talk about this next time. because of the SEL program in the schools. The social emotional learning, social emotional learning that the other kids are taught that it's right. They have to accept that as good, you know? And so because you know that happened, you know all the other kids are being affected about by it. You know, so it's changing the whole generation that's coming up. So it is a, you know, there's, there's tens of millions of children in, in America's public schools. You know, maybe a million of them are transing, but the other kids are all affected by it, and their values are changed, you know, and when you convince somebody against their own conscience against what's innately good and true, then they become. um, you know, then they'll, then they'll, um, act against their own self-interest and accept the group think and the group way. And that's what happened, you know, in the Soviet Union, that's what happened in China, North Korea, in Germany, in Germany during the, um, in Holocaust. Yeah. So, you know, but, but we didn't, you know, this didn't happen. You know, we, we had warnings of this. you know, we can, you know, like, let's just talk about what happened with education. Can, can we talk about that for a minute? Sure. Yes. Like, how did that happen so quickly? That's right. You know, um, you know, it's like the, the American writer, Ernest Hemingway, um, was a wealthy man and he. He subsequently became bankrupt, and a reporter asked him, how did you become bankrupt? And he said, very slowly. Then all of a sudden, okay, and this parallels what happened in American education, you know, pro. Maybe another more appropriate metaphor would be how a lions stalk her prey. You know, she waits and waits and comes up very stealthily and slowly, and then pounces and kills and destroy. You know, so the progressives have had their eye on the prize for a century. They understood that if they could capture the educational system, they could capture the minds and hearts of America's youth and thereby capture our culture and then our societal norms and eventually our political system in government. You know, um, we, you know, if you go back a hundred years, back to the 1920s. It was clear to them that the Western Christian Podea, and we talked about that last time, stood in their way. You know, and, and what that was, you know, um, you know, we talked about what a podea is. It's the deeply enculturated affections, um, thinking. Virtues that are embedded in children by their rearing, molding and education. And a padea gives a culture power and it gives it direction. So this Western Christian Padea, which was developed 1500 years ago and centered around the worship of God and um, during the Renaissance, it took the best of the Roman and Greek culture, philosophy, science. and they, um, which had been all tempered by people like St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, um, Philip Melancon, John Calvin, and many others. And it was, um, it was adapted during our, uh, colonial period into our culture with traditional families, with a strong work, work ethic, with communities that were centered around a church. With industriousness and a virtuous population. And the, so the first thing that the progressives had to get rid of was that western Christian podea to install their, uh, progressive podea, which developed in the 19th century, the 20th century. And that's centered around, uh, man's ability to dominate his life without God. Where man became, You know, and throughout the late 19th century, through the 20th century, this progressivism was heavily influenced by Marxism and it, and, um, eventually it came out in the sexual revolution of the 1960s and it inculcated all we talked about this last time, but the first thing they had to, to remove was, uh, and get to was the universities and colleges of. All the, all the original colleges and universities, what they call today, the Ivy Leagues, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, um, brown, Dartmouth, they were all founded during our colonial period with the purpose was to inco inculcate this western Christian padea into the culture, which with its virtue, its reasonableness, with its wonderment at the universe, appreciation of beauty. And most, I. This, this, um, they, this educational system provided a fulfillment of the purposes of the parents who wanted their child to grow up with the same ideals in moral code that had worked for them. So the, the progressives understood that in order to. Institute their brave new world without religion, without God, the cal, the colleges and the universities would have to be captured. And this happened very slowly throughout the end of the 19th century, into the 20th century. Um, and new ways of thinking had to be introduced. The progressives took over all the social sciences and they took over the law schools and, and it's, it's important to re. That this ideology will not stop until it's devoured all of our institutions. So it goes way beyond politics. You know, the progressive atheism is the institutional orthodoxy of almost every college in University of the United States, with very few exceptions. And they're what's producing our, our leaders in every walk of civilization. But we have to remember that only. by returning to a moral view of the universe, which is centered on God. Will this all turn around? Right? You know that. So, you know, at one point in the scriptures, God describes himself, you know, as merciful and gracious, long suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, and keeping mercy for thousands, and giving forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin. And that will no, by no means, clear the guilty. So as when God comes alive in our life, we have to be like that. That's his life. And so that's what's gonna change America. Enough people turn back to God. You know, like the s Scriptor says, if my people that are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wickedness, I will hear from heaven. I will forgive their sins and I will heal their land. So that you know it, that's, that's what it's gonna take, you know, in, in our view.

MizzyM: 41:21

Well, that's wonderful. Once again, we had a really invigorating conversation, Okay. Which I love about this. Um, we'll talk a little bit more on part three and we'll dwelve a little bit more into why one political party was so quick into adapting Marxism and the other party is now trying to catch up And, um, what can parents do, to really protect their children, um, from this. So I thank you guys once again, Tom and Debbie for coming on and sharing all of your knowledge and um, your time with us.

Tom: 42:06

Okay good.

Debbie: 42:06

Okay. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us, man. And take care. Have a great day.

MizzyM: 42:10

You too. Bye-bye.

Debbie: 42:12

Bless. God bless.